>> susan rice, but clearly the cia knew this. it's inconceivable that the american ambassador to the united nations was sent out on television with totally incomplete information, with talking points that had been basically scrubbed and having no knowledge of what was originally in them. >> is it clear that susan rice saw that? that's one thing i think the republicans are going off on this, going after susan rice and knew the information she was giving out was wrong. how do we know that she saw the original point-- >> wait, wait, i never thought i would say this, but charles isn't getting a chance to talk enough. i think we need to let him talk. charles, you weigh in. >> well, let's not talk about susan rice. let's take the president's own demand that we not pick on the little lady and we pick on him. all right. let's accept the challenge. that, and he said, after all, she was just my spokesman even though she knew nothing about this. all right, what he's asking us to say the president of the united states using a spokesman who k